It wasn’t obvious that I was responding to the previous post?
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January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!
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I'm afraid not, but maybe I missed the context.
Sorry
No big deal!
Translation: We are unable to open the Strait of Hormuz any time soon, but are still trying to act tough.
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You honestly think that we couldn’t concentrate our firepower on opening it up?Translation: We are unable to open the Strait of Hormuz any time soon, but are still trying to act tough.
I think that we have demonstrated our ability to destroy their capabilities adequately.
A-10s and Apaches can clear drones and smaller vessels easily. Only requirement is air superiority over water itself.Translation: We are unable to open the Strait of Hormuz any time soon, but are still trying to act tough.
So possible.
Guys, you have to realize we will now in uncommon times. You can't anyone assume previous friends are actually friends because dying control structures enable people to behave as they desire for real.
I think the Iranians have the ability to destroy the petroleum production and processing facilities of the Gulf States. It would take years to get these facilities back on line.
This would make opening straight of Hormuz irrelevant.
I think they also have the ability to destroy the electrical production and distribution capabilities of Kuwait, S. Arabia, Dubai, UAE, and even Israel. I think they also have the ability to destroy the water desalinization and treatment plants of these countries.
This would cause immeasurable suffering.
Though they have no nuclear weapons, I think the principal of "Mutually assured destruction" still applies. Trump doesn't seem to get this.
I think Trump got too cocky after his easy victory in Venezuela and bit off more than he can handle.
I'm not even sure that "Trump" is really Trump. He kinda seems like an "anti-Trump" imposter these days.
Then again, I might be wrong. I am wrong sometimes
This would make opening straight of Hormuz irrelevant.
I think they also have the ability to destroy the electrical production and distribution capabilities of Kuwait, S. Arabia, Dubai, UAE, and even Israel. I think they also have the ability to destroy the water desalinization and treatment plants of these countries.
This would cause immeasurable suffering.
Though they have no nuclear weapons, I think the principal of "Mutually assured destruction" still applies. Trump doesn't seem to get this.
I think Trump got too cocky after his easy victory in Venezuela and bit off more than he can handle.
I'm not even sure that "Trump" is really Trump. He kinda seems like an "anti-Trump" imposter these days.
Then again, I might be wrong. I am wrong sometimes
I agree entirely with your last sentence.I think the Iranians have the ability to destroy the petroleum production and processing facilities of the Gulf States. It would take years to get these facilities back on line.
This would make opening straight of Hormuz irrelevant.
I think they also have the ability to destroy the electrical production and distribution capabilities of Kuwait, S. Arabia, Dubai, UAE, and even Israel. I think they also have the ability to destroy the water desalinization and treatment plants of these countries.
This would cause immeasurable suffering.
Though they have no nuclear weapons, I think the principal of "Mutually assured destruction" still applies. Trump doesn't seem to get this.
I think Trump got too cocky after his easy victory in Venezuela and bit off more than he can handle.
I'm not even sure that "Trump" is really Trump. He kinda seems like an "anti-Trump" imposter these days.
Then again, I might be wrong. I am wrong sometimes
Notice how few missiles they are sending out lately. Every shot exposes a hidden launcher. Opportunities like that don’t go unexercised.
With each shot, their capabilities are downgraded.
We are unwilling to commit too many forces to open a strait that doesn't even affect us, when all we need to do is downgrade their military sufficiently to where they cannot build the nukes they were attempting to make, and were on the verge of completing.Translation: We are unable to open the Strait of Hormuz any time soon, but are still trying to act tough.
Yet we are sending some boots over, so I don’t have a complete picture yet.
When I say "too many", that would be so many troops, aircraft, and ships, etc. that it would leave Taiwan vulnerable.
Let's hope you are correct
Honestly, I don’t think any of us know even a 10th of the picture. Trump is holding his cards very close to his chest while yelling wildly about his hand.
Meanwhile, Iran has a hand that we most likely know is a loser but is also yelling out silliness from time to time.
Trump also has another deck under the table and ready to use at any moment.
There’s so much art of war and misdirection going on that we won’t know what’s the truth until about a year from now. Even if we cease active strikes, it doesn’t mean it’s over.
It won’t be a forever war but it will reset the pieces on the table. Iran will be an issue just like it was before strikes. It’ll just be a different kind of issue. What that looks like is a guess at this point.
Meanwhile, Iran has a hand that we most likely know is a loser but is also yelling out silliness from time to time.
Trump also has another deck under the table and ready to use at any moment.
There’s so much art of war and misdirection going on that we won’t know what’s the truth until about a year from now. Even if we cease active strikes, it doesn’t mean it’s over.
It won’t be a forever war but it will reset the pieces on the table. Iran will be an issue just like it was before strikes. It’ll just be a different kind of issue. What that looks like is a guess at this point.
Well doing nothing like the previous administrations did, did well nothing, except maybe buy a little more time down the road (like the hack that infected their computers). Time ran out.Let's hope you are correct
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If it’s truly winding down, I think the prez is satisfied that his original goals were met:
Show strength to China
Weaken China and regions dependent on Iranian oil.
Bully Iran into submission to make it think real hard before trying to strike Israel or US
Consolidate a new Middle East coalition and isolate Iran
Reduce ballistics
Expose NATO and Ukraine
Corner petroleum market
Show we are in control of our interests, unlike NATO
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. If there’s really a new set of leaders willing to wheel and deal in Iran (IF…) then it changes the trajectory of the Middle East for at least one or two generations.
Show strength to China
Weaken China and regions dependent on Iranian oil.
Bully Iran into submission to make it think real hard before trying to strike Israel or US
Consolidate a new Middle East coalition and isolate Iran
Reduce ballistics
Expose NATO and Ukraine
Corner petroleum market
Show we are in control of our interests, unlike NATO
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. If there’s really a new set of leaders willing to wheel and deal in Iran (IF…) then it changes the trajectory of the Middle East for at least one or two generations.
And in addition, it’s our way out of the Ukraine mess. The Euros can take care of their mess now. Ukraine has zero bearing on the US.