A High Trust Society

[steve]

The US used to be much more of a high trust society.



I was thinking today about the girl who was returning home from work on public transportation and was killed by a random knucklehead who had already proven himself to not be worthy of his freedom.
In yesteryear her family would not have been concerned for her safety being out and alone. Today the risk is much greater because we no longer live in a society where overall trust in other people is justified.

Do you feel that we are becoming a low trust society?
What do you see as the causes for our present state?
What does our future look like to you? Why does it look that way to you?

While I am specifically addressing the situation in my home country, I am in no excluding discussion about other countries. But let’s not discuss situations that we aren’t involved in. Your personal experience is welcome here.

 

[Bartato]

The US used to be much more of a high trust society.

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I was thinking today about the girl who was returning home from work on public transportation and was killed by a random knucklehead who had already proven himself to not be worthy of his freedom.
In yesteryear her family would not have been concerned for her safety being out and alone. Today the risk is much greater because we no longer live in a society where overall trust in other people is justified.

Do you feel that we are becoming a low trust society?
What do you see as the causes for our present state?
What does our future look like to you? Why does it look that way to you?

While I am specifically addressing the situation in my home country, I am in no excluding discussion about other countries. But let’s not discuss situations that we aren’t involved in. Your personal experience is welcome here.

We are definitely becoming a lower trust society. I think the main reasons are:
1. Christianity has far less influence on society, while naturalism, atheism, secularism, evolutionism, Marxism, feminism, capitalism, and transgenderism, have more.
2. Mass immigration of people from all over the world, many coming from low trust, high crime, low IQ, corrupt, and dysfunctional cultures.

They told everyone that there is no such thing as right and wrong.

We imported millions of people from low trust societies, and many of these people ripped us off.

 

[MemeFan]

I think acknowldegment of low trust society can't be denied. Just check fraud levels. This fraud did exist before.

Higher non-prosecution of criminals that before us somewhat recent trend, althought in some form it has existed as before.

Without modern medicine death rate from crime would be, I believe 6X higher, and approaching levels of warfare zone.

 

[Bartato]

Sociologists have shown that diverse and fragmented cultures are inherently lower trust than intact and homogeneous ones.

It's obvious.

I've spent a lot of time in Japan, a homogeneous and relatively intact culture. It is high trust.

I've spent most of my life in rural America in two types of areas.
1. Rural where the population has a lot of Christians and is predominantly "Heritage Americans". It is pretty high trust.
2. Rural America where there are many Christians, some "Heritage Americans", and a lot of immigrants from Mexico and Central America. There is a somewhat lower trust level, but still reasonable high trust.

Though the Latino immigrants come from a somewhat lower trust society, they are still typically "Christian" to some extent, and are usually relatively honest and hard working. They effectively integrate into society over time.

Go to the big cities where there are far fewer Christians, far fewer "Heritage Americans, and a bunch of Muslim immigrants from Somali, Hindu immigrants from India, and others from everywhere else in the world, and you will have far lower trust levels.

 

[Mojo]

Sociologists have shown that diverse and fragmented cultures are inherently lower trust than intact and homogeneous ones.

Very true.

But even in these societies, the cohesion is being unraveled by social media and digital communication, creating fragmentation.

 

[Bartato]

Very true.

But even in these societies, the cohesion is being unraveled by social media and digital communication, creating fragmentation.

You are right! There are other contributing factors, and social media is a big one.

 

[frederick]

Over recent years various countries have passed laws outlawing the use of physical correction on children. Those children have grown up to be adults who have no respect for authority, no sense of guilt for the wrongs they commit (if they will even acknowledge anything as "wrong!), and no fear of consequences because there were none while they were children. They are the "Me first" generation who are lovers of themselves, and lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, and have little to no regard for the effects of their actions on others. Hello Greta Thunberg!

 

[MemeFan]

Over recent years various countries have passed laws outlawing the use of physical correction on children. Those children have grown up to be adults who have no respect for authority, no sense of guilt for the wrongs they commit (if they will even acknowledge anything as "wrong!), and no fear of consequences because there were none while they were children. They are the "Me first" generation who are lovers of themselves, and lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, and have little to no regard for the effects of their actions on others. Hello Greta Thunberg!

Better question would be are you allowed to punish child in any way or is any punishment child abuse big enough to lose custody of your child?

 

[MemeFan]

Very true.

But even in these societies, the cohesion is being unraveled by social media and digital communication, creating fragmentation.

If don't think social media is creating fragmentation. It already existed since every human is very different.

What social media allows is expression of differences.

 

[Mojo]

If don't think social media is creating fragmentation. It already existed since every human is very different.

What social media allows is expression of differences.

Individual differences weren’t able to overcome the dominant unified culture.

People have always been individuals, but were well integrated into a culture. Those cultures celebrated unity. It wasn’t so easy to find your niche, 100% exactly alike subculture clan.

In many ways BF is an example. How easy would it have been to find people of our ilk even 25 years ago?

 

[Off-Grid Artist]

They are the "Me first" generation who are lovers of themselves, and lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, and have little to no regard for the effects of their actions on others.

This is what I call "Luciferianism" or "Luciferian Inversion."

It goes along with feminism.

A Godly society puts the needs of the children and next generation ahead of the needs of the adults, nurturing and growing. A Luciferian society consumes the children and the next generation in favor of the extension of the adults, leading to decay and collapse.

I haven't connected it to lackluster punishment as a child before. Generally I think of it in terms of addiction and self-centeredness. Self-adulation and worship.

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Isaiah 14

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

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Proverbs 13

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

 

[steve]

To bring it back around, I totally agree that raising children without proper enforcement of boundaries contributes to a society in which people cannot trust each other.

(Side point:we can use corporal punishment on a child whose only sin was to be inconvenient, but we can’t use lesser punishments to create a law observing/highly trustable adult.)

 

[frederick]

This is what I call "Luciferianism" or "Luciferian Inversion."

It goes along with feminism.

A Godly society puts the needs of the children and next generation ahead of the needs of the adults, nurturing and growing. A Luciferian society consumes the children and the next generation in favor of the extension of the adults, leading to decay and collapse.

I haven't connected it to lackluster punishment as a child before. Generally I think of it in terms of addiction and self-centeredness. Self-adulation and worship.

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Isaiah 14

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

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Proverbs 13

24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

I think we're two bookends at the same library. Satan tempted Eve by offering her what would elevate self; you will be like God... . Kids have been encouraged to be self centered, self absorbed heroes of their own lives. Societies can't function to grow for the benefit of all when all are self serving as there is little or no trust in others.

 

[Mojo]

Side point:we can use capital punishment on a child whose only sin was to be inconvenient, but we can’t use lesser punishments to create a law observing/highly trustable adult.)

Which only breeds more distrust and bad behavior.

We punish rape by killing the innocent child and not the rapist.

 

[MeganC]

If don't think social media is creating fragmentation. It already existed since every human is very different.

What social media allows is expression of differences.

Social media amplifies preexisting differences. The algorithms feed people what they want to see. This means they don't see or hear other views or other opinions and the result is an overall tendency towards extremism.