Beef with the TULIP. Indictments against bad theology.

[Mojo]

70-96 AD.

Letter to the Corinthians (Clement).​

Chapter 45. It is the Part of the Wicked to Vex the Righteous.


You are fond of contention, brethren, and full of zeal about things which do not pertain to salvation. (Another translation: Be ye contentious, brethren, and jealous about the things that
pertain unto salvation).
Look carefully into the Scriptures, which are the true utterances of the Holy Spirit. Observe that nothing of an unjust or counterfeit character is written in them. There you will not find that the righteous were cast off by men who themselves were holy. The righteous were indeed persecuted, but only by the wicked. They were cast into prison, but only by the unholy; they were stoned, but only by transgressors; they were slain, but only by the accursed, and such as had conceived an unrighteous envy against them. Exposed to such sufferings, they endured them gloriously. For what shall we say, brethren? Was Daniel Daniel 6:16 cast into the den of lions by such as feared God? Were Ananias, and Azarias, and Michael shut up in a furnace Daniel 3:20 of fire by those who observed the great and glorious worship of the Most High? Far from us be such a thought! Who, then, were they that did such things? The hateful, and those full of all wickedness, were roused to such a pitch of fury, that they inflicted torture on those who served God with a holy and blameless purpose [of heart], not knowing that the Most High is the Defender and Protector of all such as with a pure conscience venerate His all-excellent name; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. But they who with confidence endured [these things] are now heirs of glory and honour, and have been exalted and made illustrious by God in their memorial for ever and ever. Amen.

What’s your commentary?

 

[Transformator Reformator]

What’s your commentary?

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and self-control;

You will know them by their fruit. Do men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

Conclusion: besides rejecting Calvinism based on the Scripture, Calvinism can be safely abhorred based on the fruits its founders aka prophets. ( I am also observing issues among contemporary proponents of this system).

Bishop Clement appears to arrive to the same conclusion regarding the fruits. Fruits matter in validating veracity of claims.

 

[FollowingHim]

The fruits of someone's life reflect on the person, not their theological position. Given the amount of blood spilled by Catholics over the years, on the opposite side theologically to Calvin, by your logic you're going to have to end up rejecting all Christian theology eventually as people with every view have had bad fruit.

You're not actually using bad fruit to identify poor theology. You've decided you disagree with a certain theology and are then hunting for reasons to justify that belief. So you're being inconsistent because it's not really about fruit at all.