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Crossing a line
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Human cells actually combined with technology is crossing a line that should not be crossed
What technology?
Technology comes from techne which means useful knowledge?
So what useful knowledge you think we shouldn't use?
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Did you watch the video
So what is story?
I have taken few seconds from every few minutes. So topic is elite trying to build AI god?
Is there anything else needing to know?
First, AI isn't god. It's isn't self aware, so no consciousness. Neural networks work on predictions of what comes next. There is no world model where they stimulate in "their head" how world works.
Regarding evil oligarchs, read this:
Political decentralization is coming as tidal wave. Even EU states, usually happy to submit to Brussel overlords, are starting rebellion by demanding deregulation.
It matters, because decentralization forces big guys to compete for small guys, so big guys must behave.
All together, worst won't happen.
I have taken few seconds from every few minutes. So topic is elite trying to build AI god?
Is there anything else needing to know?
First, AI isn't god. It's isn't self aware, so no consciousness. Neural networks work on predictions of what comes next. There is no world model where they stimulate in "their head" how world works.
Regarding evil oligarchs, read this:
Following article by Gary North shows what our elites see as their greatest threat:
www.garynorth.com
So Putin is globalist as most of our ruling class. He is for more world integration and state participation in all parts of society.
What makes him seen as a nationalist is become he is willling to fight for Russia position in global hierarchy. This implies that ruling class is cartel, alliance of people with very different interests. Anf this differences will break cartel itself. House divided can't stand.
But far more important is that world's...
Vladimir Putin: Davos Man
Putin and World Economic Forum’s Klaus Schwab had a verbal love fest in January. Putin is on board with the Great Re-Set. But he has no specifics
So Putin is globalist as most of our ruling class. He is for more world integration and state participation in all parts of society.
What makes him seen as a nationalist is become he is willling to fight for Russia position in global hierarchy. This implies that ruling class is cartel, alliance of people with very different interests. Anf this differences will break cartel itself. House divided can't stand.
But far more important is that world's...
Political decentralization is coming as tidal wave. Even EU states, usually happy to submit to Brussel overlords, are starting rebellion by demanding deregulation.
It matters, because decentralization forces big guys to compete for small guys, so big guys must behave.
All together, worst won't happen.
Ashley poses as being knowledgeable and conversant of Scripture and still, in all of her extensive experience with the Bible she has somehow avoided learning how to spell "altar" and to know the difference between altar and alter.
And then she wonders why she holds no credibility with certain audiences such as TikTok.
As a biblicist and a patriarchal man, seeing ladies using the Internet to broadcast and teach things (to mixed multitudes, no less) apart from what is prescribed in Titus 2 makes me sad inside, particularly in light of what happened in the Garden of Eden.
I hear you. I haven’t given it as much thought as you but I can understand.As a biblicist and a patriarchal man, seeing ladies using the Internet to broadcast and teach things (to mixed multitudes, no less) apart from what is prescribed in Titus 2 makes me sad inside, particularly in light of what happened in the Garden of Eden.
Do you have any further biblical exposition?
Yes, friend. Please consider:
1. The Holy Scriptures have an apparent context and an actual context.
2. As the Holy One of Israel has declared the end from the beginning, and as His Word is pure, having been refined seven times, are composed and preserved for his people throughout all ages with matchless and manifold wisdom, are forever settled in Heaven, and are inerrant, profitable, etc., for our learning today.
It stands to reason that the God of all ages speaks to us by His Word and His Spirit today. This is helpful to consider because while nothing is preserved in papyri and written explicitly to Kojent or Mojo per se, yet there is a very real sense in which He does speak through His Word and His Person to you and I directly, today.
Similarly, while there is no explicit mention of the Internet, we do have this Greek word, “Kerusso,” which denotes one who proclaims, heralds, or broadcasts a message.
Now this business of broadcasting authoritative teaching is not only never used in relation to a woman in the Holy Scriptures, but nature itself demonstrates that women, with respect, are scarcely equipped physiologically for such a task, let alone creationally.
For nature indeed demonstrates that which is capable of projecting sound and communicating is ordinarily affixed to the head.
Woman, in the beginning having come from “out of man,” and more exactly from man’s rib, are the head of nothing, and it would indeed be a monstrous thing to find a mouth on a torso.
These and many other such remonstrations have I included below for your prayerful consideration, and that of others, having been composed with the utmost respect for women, yet with a greater respect to our Master, who has ordered all things by the counsel of His good pleasure and sovereign will.
Please Stop Teaching & Leading Sisters: The Canon Is Closed & The Creation Order Is Fixed.To the lady "teachers" broadcasting on social media and those who support them: It is time to face the Word.
Many claim Jesus was just waiting for a "progressive" culture to let women lead, citing that He had things to say we "couldn't bear" yet (John 16:12).
The Holy Spirit came and gave us the Epistles to explain those very things. And what did the Spirit reveal? 1 Timothy 2:11-14 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-37.
If you cannot "bear" those verses today, it is not a timing problem; it is a heart problem.
The Chronological Reality:
Before you dismiss this as "old-fashioned" because Paul wrote 2,000 years ago, bear in mind that when Paul was writing and appealing to Creation, he was looking back 4,000 years.
He was not reacting to Roman culture; he was submitting to the Divine Order established at the beginning.
If 4,000 years of history did not change the rule for Paul, 2,000 years of "progress" does not change it for you.
The Creation Root and The Curse:
Eve was deceived first. Adam was formed first. This is not "culture"; it is Creation Order.
Furthermore, the Curse in Genesis 3:16 warns that the woman’s "desire" would be for her husband (a desire to usurp his position), yet he was to rule over her. When you step into the pulpit or broadcast as a teacher, you are living out the Curse, not the Calling.
The "Monstrous" Disorder:
As John Knox argued, it is a monstrous thing for a mouth to be found on a ribcage. The woman was taken from the man's side to be his helper, not his head. Men are the head of women and Christ is the head of men (1 Corinthians 11:3). To switch these roles is to create a spiritual deformity that defies the natural and divine order.
The Prayer Standard:
The Holy Scriptures never show women leading groups of people in prayer, irrespective of gender. In 1 Timothy 2:8, Paul specifies that he desires "the men" (Greek: andras – specifically males) to pray everywhere.
There is no biblical precedent for women to lead corporate prayer or "prayer sharing" groups.
Even to lead a group in prayer is an act of spiritual leadership that the Word explicitly reserves for men.
The Judgment of Usurpation:
Isaiah 3:12 warns that when children are oppressors and women rule over the people, those who lead them cause them to err and destroy the way of their paths.
Female leadership is not a sign of spiritual "progress"; it is a biblical marker of a people under judgment.
The Kerusso Standard:
In the entire New Testament, the Greek word for official heralding or proclaiming (kerusso) is never used in relation to a woman. You can "post," but you cannot herald and teach.
The 75km Check:
If God intended to use women to direct men, Agabus would not have had to take the "sandal express" 75km to deliver a message to Paul.
Philip had four "prophetess" daughters right there in the house (Acts 21). Why did God not use them? Because He does not outsource His authority to those He has excluded from teaching or usurping authority over men.
The Limited Curriculum:
Look at the only command for women teaching women in Titus 2:3-5. The curriculum is strictly domestic: to love their husbands, love their children, and be keepers at home.
Scripture never commends or prescribes women teaching other women in spiritual or doctrinal matters.
Furthermore, the Bible never commends or prescribes women teaching other people’s children, regardless of the gender of the children.
If your "teaching" moves beyond the domestic sphere, you have abandoned your post.
The Phoebe and Junia Myths:
Do not be deceived by titles. Phoebe was a servant (diakonos), not an officer. If the Holy Spirit intended to label her a "deaconess," He had a specific word available (diakonissa) that he chose not to use.
Likewise, Junia was well known "to" the apostles, not one "of" the apostles. Being recognized by leadership is not the same as holding the office of leadership.
The Danger of Pragmatism:
Many argue that because a woman’s teaching is "good" or "true," it must be acceptable. Pragmatism is never without punishment.
Remember Moses: he smote the rock twice when he was told to speak to it. Water still poured from it. The "result" was there, but because he disobeyed the method, he was barred from the Promised Land. He had to die east of the Jordan River as a result.
A lady may write something true, but if she broadcasts it as a teacher she is smiting the Rock. God’s grace in providing water is not an endorsement of your rebellion. We should never sin so that grace may abound.
Exceptions Prove Rules:
Exceptions prove there are rules and norms, not the other way around.
Mary Magdalene was a witness to a fact, not a teacher of doctrine. Priscilla accompanied her husband who gave a private correction, not a public broadcast. Deborah sang a great song and helped a man deal with an enemy in a tent. But none of these exceptions change the creation order or the rules for the church and all those who consider themselves spiritual.
Concerning Callings:
Sisters, there is such a thing as a spiritual prank phone call. Let’s talk about these callings.
The spirit isn’t calling you to something that the Word forbids (or at least the *Holy* Spirit isn’t). Always test the spirits with the Word. You may feel called to leading or teaching in a parachurch or parasocial ministry, but Jeremiah 17:9 reminds us that the heart is desperately wicked, deceitful above all things and unknowable.
We need to be Bereans in accordance with Acts 17:11 and compare everything we think we’re hearing (whether it’s a voice in our head, our hearts or something someone says) with the Holy Scriptures.
The Bottom Line:
Broadcasting "teaching" is a direct violation of the order established from the beginning. Stay in the lines God drew. It is not a suggestion; it is the Commandment of the Lord. Remember in Luke 19:27 the fate of all those who would not have the Lord Jesus Christ reign over them.
Grace and peace, Beloved.
To be fair, friend, the bit with the emojis beginning with “Please …” was prepared long prior to your question, as I have a tendency to try to encourage folks on YouTube in what I believe to be a more biblical understanding of the role of women as I find opportunity.
As for Philip’s four daughters, I imagine that they did not have much of a role in the congregation because of Paul’s scathing use of holy sarcasm at the end of 1 Corinthians 14. Just a few verses prior to the prohibition on women speaking in v34, we have v31 where Paul mentions prophesying “one by one,” yet the proximity to v34 makes it very clear that the Apostle does not have women in view.
Somewhat tangential, but I sincerely believe the secret to interpreting 1 Corinthians 11 is found in 1 Corinthians 14, and that Paul’s way of writing can set things forth in a way that is “hard to be understood” as the Apostle Peter also writes.
While 1 Corinthians broadly speaking is indeed an Epistle written to the members of a Church, the phrase “in the church(es)” is used often in Chapter 14, but not at all in the first portion of Chapter 11.
This is why my wife and the women under my authority headcover where ever they pray or prophesy (which, as a quietly charitable soft continuationist, I would say just describes reading Holy Scripture aloud today, effectively “forthtelling” rather than “foretelling”, per se). They are also encouraged to pray without ceasing, as it is written.
So Philip’s four daughters may have operated in some sort of private, foretelling capacity among the believing women outside of the formal congregation. Or perhaps in meekness they would share what they foresaw with their father, Philip.
By the way, we see this same “apparent” broad allowance as it relates to women prophesying, with an “actual” restriction later being clarified by Paul as a sort of rhetorical pattern. You can see it in 1 Corinthians 11 and 14, as I mentioned. But you can also see it earlier in the Epistle when comparing 1 Corinthians 8 with 1 Corinthians 10 as it relates to food being sacrificed to idols.
Hopefully this helps!
Thank you.
You seem to indicate that the women (married and unmarried) that post on this forum are not operating in the same manner as a podcaster.
I’m curious how you distinguish between the two, especially since many of the women on here do expound on scripture.
You seem to indicate that the women (married and unmarried) that post on this forum are not operating in the same manner as a podcaster.
I’m curious how you distinguish between the two, especially since many of the women on here do expound on scripture.
I was hoping you wouldn’t ask me this, as I am new, do not mean to offend, and I recognize that BibFam operates with an understandable amount of ecumenism, even permitting Mormons to patronize this place.
To be clear, I would not say that broadcasting teaching in a forum is meaningfully different from broadcasting teaching on some other platform such as YouTube. I apologize if I gave that impression.
I believe women do err whenever they go beyond what is written and endeavor to expound the Scriptures beyond what is narrowly prescribed for older women to teach younger women in accordance with Titus 2.
I have heard of women in the days of the early church and throughout church history framing responses to theological questions posed to them by men by using couched language such as, “my husband has taught me,” or “our pastor says,” and I think that’s very wise.
The Lex Oppia protest in 195 BC and Hortensia's speech in 42 BC both record the public speech of women as forbidden or audacious, for the women “dared to publicly speak to other men’s husbands,” and so on.
Even in patriarchal situations today we would acknowledge that men’s sphere is in many ways public, whereas women’s sphere is in many ways private.
More can be read about that here:
I will say that while our theology ought always inform our culture (as opposed to the converse), it is noteworthy that the Apostle Paul did not seek to pave the way for more egalitarian inroads as he had opportunity.
It was a gift from God that women were the first to see the tomb empty and explain these things to the men and so on, but we ought not make the mistake of overcorrecting, which is something that church history suggests even earnest believers are gifted at.
Women have a role to play in the Kingdom and there is no doubt great honor, dignity and privilege in it. But we need not go beyond what is written.
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