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Jesus didn’t complain about following
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I've never understood this comparison... It's a heck of a lot easier to follow the Lord than it is to follow another flawed, sinful, and prideful human. Yes, essentially wives are obeying the Lord by following their husbands, but that doesn't make it easy. God is clear, concise, and consistent, most men are not. I think that is where the "complaints" stem from.
I guess it's also not another woman's job to measure the complaints of other women about the roles within their own marriages. Especially when those women may not be married to men as good as your own husband.
I agree, that the argument/teachings on their own are likely sound advice. But the example speaks for itself without the little jabs about "complaining," particularly within a flawed comparison.
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What you said is true, but here's another angle. Yes, any Husband is flawed and sinful, but so are we. We can say "yeah Jesus followed but He was following a sinless God." But the rebuttal is "yes, but He was sinless too. We're not. He still followed"
Submitting and following isn't easy. Neither is, say, dying for the Gospel. But we may be called to the latter. Why should we think we get an exemption from the former?
Besides, we've got it easy. We get to choose the man we submit to and follow. Until a handful of centuries ago, that wasn't the case. Your parents marched you out to meet a man and told you "your his now." When you think about the fact that the New Testament command to serve your Husband as dutifully as you would serve Christ was given to women who had no say in who their husband was, and yet they were still expected to follow that command...
...It makes you realize, "serving a man who you selected personally, giving yourself to a man you chose instead of one who was chosen for you, isn't so hard after all."
Submitting isn't easy, just as you said. And yes, the man you are submitting to will screw up, every day. But the only way to be the bride of a perfect man is to become Catholic and be a nun.
I've considered this as well and personally it just makes the comparison even more unrelatable.
I actually used to think this way as well. I still do, sort of... I'm not attempting to take away the burden and responsibility that men have when leading a family when I say this. But thinking this way often times puts the blame on women for the actions of men. I've lived long enough now to see that people change; sometimes it's not for the best. Imagine you're dealing with a man that you "chose" who isn't as he originally portrayed himself to be or that has changed for the worse for whatever reason. Sure, I don't think the best course of action is to attack him and begin hurling complaints his way. But when you're in a situation such as that, it's also not helpful to have other women making statements like "Hey, don't complain because Jesus didn't complain when he submitted to God."
I've listened to the lady in the video multiple times, she often makes inconsiderate, blanket statements towards other women that I just don't find particularly helpful. Not a fan is all.
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I am just now seeing this even though I'd read it before.
While in general in most of the West you are right in what you say it is not a universal rule that women get to choose their man.
Circumstances can sometimes get more of a vote than we do. It just happens is all.
Excellent video! Women cannot claim to love the Father but wont submit to the order he has established. That is how they delude themselves!
The man as the presumptive leader of the family must submit to Heavenly Order before the people in his charge can follow his example.
Everyone is supposed to be righteous. Of course you should seek to be married to an upstanding man and not a man whose living in sin. That should be obviousThe man as the presumptive leader of the family must submit to Heavenly Order before the people in his charge can follow his example.
With that being said, women usually say what you're saying so that they can rebel and claim "men arent righteous" as their excuse.
Nowhere in the entire bible does it say that a woman only has to submit if the man is righteous, or "righteous enouch" according to her.
In fact, 1 peter 3:1 specifically says that even if he DOES NOT obey the word she is to be in subjection to him.
The entire so called new testament was written while the Israelites were in captivity under the Romans. They were under Roman authority because of their sins and because of the curses that the Most High put on them.
So this means that hebrew men were not perfect and that many were sinners just like they are today. Yet and still, the so called new testament makes it clear several times that the Father still wanted the family structure to be the same, with the man as the head and ruler of his wife and children.
So irregardless of all of the flaws that men may have and that women may point out, they are still supposed to be in the position of authority and leadership.
I meant to say, "righteous enough" according to her. Seems like I can't edit or delete my comments here.
So again, nowhere in all of scripture will you find the doctrine that "women are only to submit if the man is righteous".
He's a male. And as a male he has been given a certain position or role in the familial structure.
Just like he's automatically worth more than the female as related to devoting oneself to the work of Yah(Leviticus 27:1-5).
Just as a woman is automatically unclean for a shorter amount of time when she has a male child, in comparison to a female child(Leviticus 12).
Just as the male inherently has authority to confirm or disannul the vows of his daughter or wife(Numbers 30)
There are inherent differences in the genders and different gender roles.
And the position of the man is head of his wife and family. Period.
Romans 3:10, paraphrasing from the Psalms, says there is no one who is righteous.
Does that mean no woman has to submit, since no men are righteous in this hyperbolic context? Absolutely not.
The mans authority is Christ:
1 Corinthians 11:3- But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
And Christ will correct, and or chastise him as necessary. Such as we see in the case of nabal(1 Samuel 25) for example. Now if a man tells his wife to break the law of Yah, she should not do that. And there are many other examples of Yah bringing judgement on men(and women) who are out of order throughout the scriptures.
He's a male. And as a male he has been given a certain position or role in the familial structure.
Just like he's automatically worth more than the female as related to devoting oneself to the work of Yah(Leviticus 27:1-5).
Just as a woman is automatically unclean for a shorter amount of time when she has a male child, in comparison to a female child(Leviticus 12).
Just as the male inherently has authority to confirm or disannul the vows of his daughter or wife(Numbers 30)
There are inherent differences in the genders and different gender roles.
And the position of the man is head of his wife and family. Period.
Romans 3:10, paraphrasing from the Psalms, says there is no one who is righteous.
Does that mean no woman has to submit, since no men are righteous in this hyperbolic context? Absolutely not.
The mans authority is Christ:
1 Corinthians 11:3- But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
And Christ will correct, and or chastise him as necessary. Such as we see in the case of nabal(1 Samuel 25) for example. Now if a man tells his wife to break the law of Yah, she should not do that. And there are many other examples of Yah bringing judgement on men(and women) who are out of order throughout the scriptures.