Meat Mystery behind 1 Corinthians 7:36-37 (virgin, daughter, betrothed or what?)

[MemeFan]

11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

As you said in a previous post, a boy is to become more mature.
As a young man, head of his household, he still doesn’t know everything. In a multitude of councilors is wisdom. His father hopefully would rate high on his councilor list. Not all fathers make good councilors. Some are good examples of what not to do.

A young man has to make choices about who he learns from, young men who only take council from their friends often take a lot longer to learn what they need to know.
There is no actual structure beyond the family, although elders should exist in the churches who have been proven.

You mean council as advisory group?

I ask because council can also mean decision making group.

 

[Kojent]

You mean council as advisory group?

I ask because council can also mean decision making group.

I don't know what the person you're asking intended, but I would say both. The Holy Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments do not speak well of those who are a law unto themselves, who do what is right in their own eyes, who make so much a matter of private interpretation and refuse to be accountable to or under the authority of anyone.

 

[steve]

You mean council as advisory group?

I ask because council can also mean decision making group.

It can.
Or it can simply be a misspelling of counsel when I am overtired.

 

[MemeFan]

I don't know what the person you're asking intended, but I would say both. The Holy Scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments do not speak well of those who are a law unto themselves, who do what is right in their own eyes, who make so much a matter of private interpretation and refuse to be accountable to or under the authority of anyone.

Authority's root is author which means to originate and increase.

Why would anybody want someone else to decide in which direction he wants your life to go? That's nonsense.

I see so much confusion in your post.

People can decide each for themselves while sharing same moral code. Proffesional associations, fan clubs, heard of them?*

And why to be accountable unless it's in my benefit to be? Society doesn't require accountability, it requires promise keeping which doesn't any explanation to anyone in keeping promises.

In case you haven't noticed, nested decision making council are structure of soviet union. So local council answer to regional council till top. I see no reason for Bible or Lord to require any such structure.

Did you notice you can't make any personal decision inside Soviet Union? Nope, they are group based and everyone is always accountable. As story from Mao China says, peasant is forbidden to pull out his tooth without group permission.


*Shared moral code is domain specific in above cases, but can be general too. Religious groups are example.

 

[Kojent]

Authority's root is author which means to originate and increase.

Why would anybody want someone else to decide in which direction he wants your life to go? That's nonsense.

I see so much confusion in your post.

People can decide each for themselves while sharing same moral code. Proffesional associations, fan clubs, heard of them?*

And why to be accountable unless it's in my benefit to be? Society doesn't require accountability, it requires promise keeping which doesn't any explanation to anyone in keeping promises.

In case you haven't noticed, nested decision making council are structure of soviet union. So local council answer to regional council till top. I see no reason for Bible or Lord to require any such structure.

Did you notice you can't make any personal decision inside Soviet Union? Nope, they are group based and everyone is always accountable. As story from Mao China says, peasant is forbidden to pull out his tooth without group permission.


*Shared moral code is domain specific in above cases, but can be general too. Religious groups are example.

As for why anybody would want someone else to decide in which direction they want their life to go, it isn't nonsense, it's the cost of being a Christian.

To be a Christian means to follow and endeavor to be more like Christ. We submit not because another man is infallible, but because God ordained shepherding as protection for the sheep in various spheres (familial, ecclesiastical and civil).

Patriarchs are not infallible.
Pastors are not infallible.
Presidents are not infallible.

Yet submission is commanded regardless, because our Author has delegated authority to others, and we are commanded to honor that.

So, respectfully, what's nonsense is esteeming the authority of one sphere and rejecting the authority of another.

Even Christ submitted to earthly authorities, not because they were perfect, but because the Father ordained it.

If anyone who has ever walked this Earth had the right to make their own choices and be an authority unto themselves, it was the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The servants are not greater than their Master.

My friend, I would strongly encourage you to compare everything you think with what is written in the Holy Scriptures. I'm sure you mean well, but in every interaction we've had on these forums I'm noticing that you're not bringing God's Word to bear. Be a Berean (Acts 17:11) and you will be blessed.

I don't know about you, but I didn't come here to share my opinions.

I came here to be pointed to the Word and to point others to it also.

Along those lines, we're not here on Earth to simply 'advise' one another, nor are councils of elders with authority to merely offer suggestions.

Just as authority and submission are biblical concepts, reproof is a biblical command. A curse is promised in Proverbs 1:25-28 to those who will not hear reproof. Our opinions and advice have no basis for reproof because they carry no weight and have no authority.

In order for us to reprove others, we need to have a source of authority: a standard independent of you and I that we can appeal to in order to clarify doctrine, resolve disputes, etc. We do that by comparing spiritual things with spiritual, one prooftext after another, until we've done the hard work of 'seeing if these things are so'.

Same thing with exhorting. Exhorting one another daily is a biblical command. We can't do that when every man's got his own ideas, his own standards, etc., and is content to take his ball and go home whenever he finds someone with whom he disagrees. Doing so puts people on a fast track to finding themselves alone on an island talking to a volleyball.

Grace and peace. <3

 

[Mojo]

Why would anybody want someone else to decide in which direction he wants your life to go? That's nonsense.

That’s very much a modern, cultural viewpoint.
Traditional cultures (not even necessarily biblical) valued being part of the extended family or tribe. All members submitted to the elders or family patriarch.

Paul’s letters very much mirrored that proposition. He describes the ecclesia as body parts all belonging to a united body. He describes roles of authority in that body akin to an extended patriarchy. The Orthodox churches still refers to their ecclesiastical leaders as patriarchs. To leave or ignore their counsel or councils is permissible, but then you leave the protection and extended fellowship of the assembly. Out of moral and biblical obligation, many Christians all over the world still hold to local, congregational authority. It’s not an alien concept. It’s older than scripture.

 

[MemeFan]

That’s very much a modern, cultural viewpoint.
Traditional cultures (not even necessarily biblical) valued being part of the extended family or tribe. All members submitted to the elders or family patriarch.

Paul’s letters very much mirrored that proposition. He describes the ecclesia as body parts all belonging to a united body. He describes roles of authority in that body akin to an extended patriarchy. The Orthodox churches still refers to their ecclesiastical leaders as patriarchs. To leave or ignore their counsel or councils is permissible, but then you leave the protection and extended fellowship of the assembly. Out of moral and biblical obligation, many Christians all over the world still hold to local, congregational authority. It’s not an alien concept. It’s older than scripture.

Yet, history of Christdom reveals something else too.

Lots of voluntary associations where every member had a veto and could veto any new potential law. Yet, Old Germanic law is that great.

Have you heard of guilds, universities, cooperatives?

Lol, why I need to submit?

I'm heir of West, Christian civilization which favours cooperation over submission.

 

[MemeFan]

And for those who consider my altitude Unchristian, well, I have question for you.

Medieval times were way more religious than current. So how could civilization where most people were concerned with getting in Heaven somehow miss mandatory submission for everybody? LOLOLOLOLOL

I don't this they did. I think you have forgotten second law of love. Actually, The most forgetten command.

When human reaches enough maturity, he/she starts becoming actor upon the world. It also brings usage of it's own moral code*.

It brings refusal to accept others domimion over you. So as per 2nd love command, you too have to stop desiring dominion over others.

LOL, I'm certain you didn't expect for me to invoke Jesus's command.


*And this include all of you. When you were young, others told you your moral code. Now you decide you yourself. Acrepting polygyny is deciding for yourself.

 

[MemeFan]

As for why anybody would want someone else to decide in which direction they want their life to go, it isn't nonsense, it's the cost of being a Christian.

If Christ is smart and He is, best solution is to put into heart of person direction when Christ wants that person to go.

Why for every person and every potential issue risk running away as Jonah?

To be a Christian means to follow and endeavor to be more like Christ. We submit not because another man is infallible, but because God ordained shepherding as protection for the sheep in various spheres (familial, ecclesiastical and civil).

Which requires following Christ, not a man.

If anyone who has ever walked this Earth had the right to make their own choices and be an authority unto themselves, it was the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The servants are not greater than their Master.

But we already decide for ourself. Free will, did you heard of that? Wait, is free will Lord's gift to us?

So we are as Lord able to decide for us own.

Just as authority and submission are biblical concepts, reproof is a biblical command. A curse is promised in Proverbs 1:25-28 to those who will not hear reproof. Our opinions and advice have no basis for reproof because they carry no weight and have no authority.

And reproof requires person A to be right and person B to be wrong. What if person A is wrong and is trying to reproof person B?

It's not so simple. And you are assuming you are right and you can be my teacher? I didn't put you into that position. Nice try.

 

[Mojo]

And, once again, it devolves into something else completely and also personal when @MemeFan comes along.

Perhaps we get back on track with the original post question and thought?

 

[MemeFan]

And, once again, it devolves into something else completely and also personal when @MemeFan comes along.

Perhaps we get back on track with the original post question and thought?

No, it's not personal.

I'm using myself to force being concrete over speaking in generalities.

If there is no benefit for doing submission, then doing submission implies doing evil to yourself, which has zero sense.

So if nobody can provide zero benefits, case closed. Submission is nonsense.

 

[MemeFan]

And this matters to this forum because Bible says wife is to be submissive to her husband which implies submission must benefits wife.

Which implies good husband will provide those benefits to wife. And if husband doesn't have idea what those benefits are, he can only accidentally provide them.