The Light of Lucifer on Divorce

[Mark C]

Now seriously, How much would men pay for a talented smart hardworking woman? What is the value? I just paid 10k for a good used Jeep.

If you are going to to reduce her to a price/benefit analysis, then "what is the ROI?" How much revenue can she generate? How much cost savings, versus food, clothing, space?

And how much is the marginal sex increase worth?

I'm inclined to think of a whole different analysis, especially given the pending collapse of the dollar...

 

[Maddog]

Keep going...

 

[Mark C]

I recently added an additional wife (she has no father or brother, so 'non-issue') --
(and there are the usual myriad of factors, oft-addressed here...)

-- but still, the answer boils down to:

- Life is much better, for all of us, WITH her.

- And I now have difficulty imagining life WITHOUT her.

 

[Maddog]

I am glad to hear of success and a net benefit all around but the question remains, what is that "helper" worth to the previous patriarch when he agreed to her new assignment? If she was the keeper of the kitchen, what was that worth to him and the value you gained to your own home?
Monetize the transaction in worth. Mark C you have assets of one sort or another, what is fair market value?
I understand it sounds a bit crass but please dont be offended by looking at this through First Covenent eyes, vis-a-vis bride price.

 

[Maddog]

Think of this betrothal as transactional. Perhaps this is adoption where there is no intrinsic value but what of HER sense of personal worth? Would it be that of a newer Civic with low miles? The law of lust is predicated on is it available for transaction. The other dudes isha is not available but his daughter is. What is the non-quarelling woman worth?

 

[steve]

Think of this betrothal as transactional. Perhaps this is adoption where there is no intrinsic value but what of HER sense of personal worth? Would it be that of a newer Civic with low miles? The law of lust is predicated on is it available for transaction. The other dudes isha is not available but his daughter is. What is the non-quarelling woman worth?

Because of the fact that women grow up in our present society, you can’t really trust how they will turn out.

In Bible times women would be under the peer pressure of friends and family to be good wives.
Present day peer pressure is for to be “themselves” which winds up being as rebellious as possible. So they might start out well, but they feel no incentive to be all that they can be.

Bottom line is you would be buying a pig in a poke. I wouldn’t give a plugged nickel.

 

[MemeFan]

Now seriously, How much would men pay for a talented smart hardworking woman? What is the value? I just paid 10k for a good used Jeep.

I don't see why you so much want to go in this direction?

1) Did you pay for your wife or did you enjoyed having her free and using money for something wortwhile else?

2) You know, you can overpay for asset. Do you agree sometimes man should have offer less?

3)I can't wait to see will @OttoM say non-virgins should pay man-price since they aren't pure.

4) Can't wait till somebody mentions inflation and general inaffordability of everything and how now free porn will be become even more attractive option.

 

[MemeFan]

I recently added an additional wife (she has no father or brother, so 'non-issue') --
(and there are the usual myriad of factors, oft-addressed here...)

-- but still, the answer boils down to:

- Life is much better, for all of us, WITH her.

- And I now have difficulty imagining life WITHOUT her.

Hopefully, you won't now have time to fight with @The Revolting Man since neither of you can't control themselves.

People, learn social ignoring and pretending someone doesn't exist.You don't have to "correct" every "stupidity".

 

[Maddog]

Because of the fact that women grow up in our present society, you can’t really trust how they will turn out.

In Bible times women would be under the peer pressure of friends and family to be good wives.
Present day peer pressure is for to be “themselves” which winds up being as rebellious as possible. So they might start out well, but they feel no incentive to be all that they can be.

Bottom line is you would be buying a pig in a poke. I wouldn’t give a plugged nickel.

I hope you are NOT saying she is not worth a plug-nickel!
Sans that comment, what then is the criteria for bringing her into the home and depriving the previous patriarch of domestic value?
Shear availability of a female for poly is poor criteria for assimilation into a family.

 

[MemeFan]

I am glad to hear of success and a net benefit all around but the question remains, what is that "helper" worth to the previous patriarch when he agreed to her new assignment? If she was the keeper of the kitchen, what was that worth to him and the value you gained to your own home?
Monetize the transaction in worth. Mark C you have assets of one sort or another, what is fair market value?
I understand it sounds a bit crass but please dont be offended by looking at this through First Covenent eyes, vis-a-vis bride price.

Why insisting valuing in money?

Oh darling that hug was worth two bucks to me. Pitty, yesterday's were worth three dollars.

Not everything should be monetizable. Starting with love and honor.

I wonder how Lord will react when you try such mentality to Him?

 

[Maddog]

I don't see why you so much want to go in this direction?

1) Did you pay for your wife or did you enjoyed having her free and using money for something wortwhile else?

2) You know, you can overpay for asset. Do you agree sometimes man should have offer less?

3)I can't wait to see will @OttoM say non-virgins should pay man-price since they aren't pure.

4) Can't wait till somebody mentions inflation and general inaffordability of everything and how now free porn will be become even more attractive option.

I go there because it is referenced in scripture and this is (supposed to be) a learning forum and I am still learning. Dont scoff at the question.

 

[MemeFan]

I go there because it is referenced in scripture and this is (supposed to be) a learning forum and I am still learning. Dont scoff at the question.

You may want to never know answers.

 

[Maddog]

I want therefore i ask.

 

[Maddog]

In the previous covenant era betrothal was monetized in TIME- 7 years labor as well as cattle and silver. It had(has) value.

 

[steve]

I hope you are NOT saying she is not worth a plug-nickel!

I said that I wouldn’t pay a plugged nickel because I couldn’t be sure of what I would end up with.

Sans that comment, what then is the criteria for bringing her into the home

You do your best to discern compatibility, whether she will actually choose to walk your walk.

depriving the previous patriarch of domestic value?

Assuming that you refer to her father, does a girl nowadays have a value as a domestic to her father?

Shear availability of a female for poly is poor criteria for assimilation into a family.

 

[OttoM]

The customs in marriage today go against the Word of God:

1. It’s custom for men to kneel down and propose. Scripture says the man is the head and master of his household. He shouldn’t be kneeling down to his wife.

2. It’s custom to spend roughly $5,000 on an engagement ring. However, 1 Peter 3:3 emphasizes inward beauty over expensive jewelry.

Most men participate in these traditional customs without questioning the status quo - so what’s wrong with having a standard and customary bride price for virgins - given to her family? Abraham gave gifts to the family of Issac’s wife. Obviously, in a marriage all parties benefit. The husband benefits. The wives are under a covering. The children benefit also. So it’s silly to put a price on a virgin based on what she brings to the table - when that virgin will get just as many benefits (if not more) being under the covering of a righteous husband. The bride price should not be viewed in that manner.

 

[The Revolting Man]

The customs in marriage today go against the Word of God:

1. It’s custom for men to kneel down and propose. Scripture says the man is the head and master of his household. He shouldn’t be kneeling down to his wife.

2. It’s custom to spend roughly $5,000 on an engagement ring. However, 1 Peter 3:3 emphasizes inward beauty over expensive jewelry.

Most men participate in these traditional customs without questioning the status quo - so what’s wrong with having a standard and customary bride price for virgins - given to her family? Abraham gave gifts to the family of Issac’s wife. Obviously, in a marriage all parties benefit. The husband benefits. The wives are under a covering. The children benefit also. So it’s silly to put a price on a virgin based on what she brings to the table - when that virgin will get just as many benefits (if not more) being under the covering of a righteous husband. The bride price should not be viewed in that manner.

Says the man without daughters. You have to pay the bride price, of course you want it to be low. I have daughters. If I’m going to be giving them up for money then the price damn well better reflect their value to me.

 

[OttoM]

Says the man without daughters. You have to pay the bride price, of course you want it to be low. I have daughters. If I’m going to be giving them up for money then the price damn well better reflect their value to me.

You’re not giving up your daughters for money. She finds a righteous man that she wants to be her husband. The father agrees that he’s solid and approves. They proceed with the marriage.

The only difference is that the husband pays a customary bride price paid to her family. You can take the bride price and use it for the wedding ceremony. Or pay for their honeymoon (if they choose to have one). Or whatever the case may be - it’s your money.

 

[frederick]

I don't see why you so much want to go in this direction?

1) Did you pay for your wife or did you enjoyed having her free and using money for something wortwhile else?

2) You know, you can overpay for asset. Do you agree sometimes man should have offer less?

3)I can't wait to see will @OttoM say non-virgins should pay man-price since they aren't pure.

4) Can't wait till somebody mentions inflation and general inaffordability of everything and how now free porn will be become even more attractive option.

Maybe add
5. I can't wait to see the hot new robot wives from China and how much the virgin ones will cost.

 

[The Revolting Man]

You’re not giving up your daughters for money. She finds a righteous man that she wants to be her husband. The father agrees that he’s solid and approves. They proceed with the marriage.

The only difference is that the husband pays a customary bride price paid to her family. You can take the bride price and use it for the wedding ceremony. Or pay for their honeymoon (if they choose to have one). Or whatever the case may be - it’s your money.

It’s my money and I can get more of it! apparently I own a valuable commodity and I might as well get a fair market rate!

Or you could admit how absurd this all sounds and examine whether or not the price of the virgin only applies when a virgin has been seduced and her father utterly refuses to give her up. That is the only scenario where we’re told about a bride price….